CNN Founder Ted Turner appeared on Oprah’s Master Class and discussed why good leaders are so rare in this day and age. “Really good leaders are hard to find,” said Turner. “We go through a process every four years of electing a president, and it’s quite a chore to find somebody that’s really good, that can do everything. In fact, it’s almost impossible.”

“Things are so complicated now,” Turner says. “Just the financial world is so complicated, to be an expert in that is very, very difficult.”

“Back in the time of Thomas Jefferson and George Washington, all the books that were in the Library of Congress fit in one room. You could read them all,” he says. “Now, a million books a year are printed — or over that. There’s no way you can read them all.”

Watch Turner further discuss the complications of finding a good leader.